For the ground pounders amongst the CP team, has it been determined what kind of Navy we need? The technology described here seems fulsome, one of us here needs the crayons and blank sheet of white paper briefing. (Me!) Can we purchase existing vessels from other countries? It is the writers understanding that Turkey has a frigate and Italy a large offshore patrol vessel, both pretty dandy, can they be purchased? Can Bath Iron Works kick out more destroyers (which apparently are not destroyers) more rapidly. Have we gotten past this littoral combat vessel that Berger and Smith love so much that one has not gotten off the design table? More closely to home has the Corps sorted itself to get the 50 amphibious vessels it needs? Seems whomever the new SecNav is going to be, they will have a lot to catch up on. If the SecDef nominee is confirmed it is the writers understanding that he is geared towards war fighting and not the distractions of DIE and Critical Race Theory. By the way has thoroughly modern Milley post retirement been seen lately? He was last found out there in the retired wildlife preserve with a high ball glass of amber colored liquid still trying to understand white rage? We can only hope a whole bunch of stars start falling off collars soon and political animals of the flag officer genus are released back in to the retired wild. Field Day in the puzzle palace, inspection soon to follow!
I remember reading about how US Fleet Strategy was to simply keep the Navy out of range of Japanese aircraft and guns....or did they take another approach?
The Fleet is still in the kill zone. The Houthis only operate subminimal systems Iranian systems. Their two principal ASBM systems: the Asef, an anti-ship derivative of Iran’s Fateh-313 tactical ballistic missile, and the Tankel, the anti-ship variant of Iran’s Raad-500 Zohair tactical ballistic missile. These assets possess roughly 280 miles and 310 miles of range, respectively. The Asef, which closely resembles the Iranian Khalij Fars missile, has a large warhead that weighs 1,400 pounds (650 kilograms). The Houthis also possess a smaller ASBM, al-Falaq, derived from the Iranian Fateh-110 tactical ballistic missile.
The Hormuz-1 and the Hormuz-2 baseline is another Iranian system worth monitoring for potential transfers to Yemen. Derived from Iran’s family of solid-propelled tactical ballistic missiles, the Hormuz-1 and Hormuz-2 are reportedly anti-radiation ASBM assets that can reach up to Mach 5 speed. The anti-radiation ASBM configuration turns one of the vessel’s most critical defensive sensors, its powerful radar system, into a weakness: as the hostile missile targets radar emission sources, a targeted warship can deactivate its radar to evade a lock.
China’s A2AD and main anti-ship missiles are the YJ-12, YJ-18, YJ-83, DF-21, and DF-26., which are critical threats to the Fleet. Every current strategic to operational war game conducted by the DoD and Beltway SME's proves that! The Chinese YJ-12 serves as a primary weapon for bombers and coastal launchers; the YJ-18 is a primary weapon for submarines and large surface warships; the YJ-83 is fielded by multirole aircraft and surface warships smaller than destroyers; and the DF-21 and DF-26 ballistic missiles are China’s most long-ranged land-based anti-ship weapons.1 While there are other anti-ship missiles in China’s inventory, those appear relatively uncommon compared to these five weapons.
Finally because of the YJ-18, it is starkly clear that large U.S. surface warships are heavily outgunned by their Chinese equivalents, and must compensate for the disparity in offensive firepower with superior tactics, defenses, and combined arms methods. The A2AD architecture is being shared by the Axis of evil to all the players. Its only a matter of time for Iran to receive it from China or Russia and give it to its proxies Hezbollah, Houthis etc. The DF 21 and 26 are hyper and supersonic!! The Fleet needs to get better protected, get more standoff , or get out of the bullseye! My Opinion only. M2
You are absolutely correct that the fleet can protect itself from missiles. A sticking point is for how long? In an extended engagement, we are likely to go "Winchester" at some point, requiring return to port for replenishment ( no at sea capability at present) or becoming very vulnerable to the second salvo. At issue also is the vulnerability of our logistics train, which cannot protect itself--and there are insufficient ships to escort it. Not saying that makes the FD correct, but it is worrisome for us fleet folks tasked with protection of our assets.
That's the policy point. The US needs a long range comprehensive fleet building plan to reverse the "how do you make a small Navy / Start with a big one" trend of the last 40 years. Call the new policy "how do you fix a small Navy / Finish with a big one". It's either that or start using the Canadian model....
Exactly, and that takes funding, time and adherence to a rational maritime strategy with its associated policies and funding priorities. We'll see. Can the public be weaned off of welfare in order to assure national survival ?
Outstanding perspective and rebuke of the false narratives of FD2030! Reverse and restore our Corps' MAGTF lethality and capabilities immediately via VISION2035! Semper Fi!
For the ground pounders amongst the CP team, has it been determined what kind of Navy we need? The technology described here seems fulsome, one of us here needs the crayons and blank sheet of white paper briefing. (Me!) Can we purchase existing vessels from other countries? It is the writers understanding that Turkey has a frigate and Italy a large offshore patrol vessel, both pretty dandy, can they be purchased? Can Bath Iron Works kick out more destroyers (which apparently are not destroyers) more rapidly. Have we gotten past this littoral combat vessel that Berger and Smith love so much that one has not gotten off the design table? More closely to home has the Corps sorted itself to get the 50 amphibious vessels it needs? Seems whomever the new SecNav is going to be, they will have a lot to catch up on. If the SecDef nominee is confirmed it is the writers understanding that he is geared towards war fighting and not the distractions of DIE and Critical Race Theory. By the way has thoroughly modern Milley post retirement been seen lately? He was last found out there in the retired wildlife preserve with a high ball glass of amber colored liquid still trying to understand white rage? We can only hope a whole bunch of stars start falling off collars soon and political animals of the flag officer genus are released back in to the retired wild. Field Day in the puzzle palace, inspection soon to follow!
I remember reading about how US Fleet Strategy was to simply keep the Navy out of range of Japanese aircraft and guns....or did they take another approach?
The Fleet is still in the kill zone. The Houthis only operate subminimal systems Iranian systems. Their two principal ASBM systems: the Asef, an anti-ship derivative of Iran’s Fateh-313 tactical ballistic missile, and the Tankel, the anti-ship variant of Iran’s Raad-500 Zohair tactical ballistic missile. These assets possess roughly 280 miles and 310 miles of range, respectively. The Asef, which closely resembles the Iranian Khalij Fars missile, has a large warhead that weighs 1,400 pounds (650 kilograms). The Houthis also possess a smaller ASBM, al-Falaq, derived from the Iranian Fateh-110 tactical ballistic missile.
The Hormuz-1 and the Hormuz-2 baseline is another Iranian system worth monitoring for potential transfers to Yemen. Derived from Iran’s family of solid-propelled tactical ballistic missiles, the Hormuz-1 and Hormuz-2 are reportedly anti-radiation ASBM assets that can reach up to Mach 5 speed. The anti-radiation ASBM configuration turns one of the vessel’s most critical defensive sensors, its powerful radar system, into a weakness: as the hostile missile targets radar emission sources, a targeted warship can deactivate its radar to evade a lock.
China’s A2AD and main anti-ship missiles are the YJ-12, YJ-18, YJ-83, DF-21, and DF-26., which are critical threats to the Fleet. Every current strategic to operational war game conducted by the DoD and Beltway SME's proves that! The Chinese YJ-12 serves as a primary weapon for bombers and coastal launchers; the YJ-18 is a primary weapon for submarines and large surface warships; the YJ-83 is fielded by multirole aircraft and surface warships smaller than destroyers; and the DF-21 and DF-26 ballistic missiles are China’s most long-ranged land-based anti-ship weapons.1 While there are other anti-ship missiles in China’s inventory, those appear relatively uncommon compared to these five weapons.
Finally because of the YJ-18, it is starkly clear that large U.S. surface warships are heavily outgunned by their Chinese equivalents, and must compensate for the disparity in offensive firepower with superior tactics, defenses, and combined arms methods. The A2AD architecture is being shared by the Axis of evil to all the players. Its only a matter of time for Iran to receive it from China or Russia and give it to its proxies Hezbollah, Houthis etc. The DF 21 and 26 are hyper and supersonic!! The Fleet needs to get better protected, get more standoff , or get out of the bullseye! My Opinion only. M2
https://cimsec.org/fighting-dmo-pt-8-chinas-anti-ship-firepower-and-mass-firing-schemes/#:~:text=China%E2%80%99s%20main%20anti-ship%20missiles%20are%20the,YJ-12%2C%20YJ-18%2C%20YJ-83%2C%20DF-21%2C%20and%20DF-26.
Brilliant analogy!
You are absolutely correct that the fleet can protect itself from missiles. A sticking point is for how long? In an extended engagement, we are likely to go "Winchester" at some point, requiring return to port for replenishment ( no at sea capability at present) or becoming very vulnerable to the second salvo. At issue also is the vulnerability of our logistics train, which cannot protect itself--and there are insufficient ships to escort it. Not saying that makes the FD correct, but it is worrisome for us fleet folks tasked with protection of our assets.
That's the policy point. The US needs a long range comprehensive fleet building plan to reverse the "how do you make a small Navy / Start with a big one" trend of the last 40 years. Call the new policy "how do you fix a small Navy / Finish with a big one". It's either that or start using the Canadian model....
Exactly, and that takes funding, time and adherence to a rational maritime strategy with its associated policies and funding priorities. We'll see. Can the public be weaned off of welfare in order to assure national survival ?
Outstanding perspective and rebuke of the false narratives of FD2030! Reverse and restore our Corps' MAGTF lethality and capabilities immediately via VISION2035! Semper Fi!